On 01/29/2014 02:57 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 06:15:49PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Just to wax philosophical for a minute: I think there's a lot of value
in building boring stuff that works well, and I might be weird, but I
[snip eloquent defense of the virtues of boring basic distro work]
This doesn't mean I'm against doing Big Exciting New Things in general
or Fedora.next in particular, but I do want to stand up for the value of
just keeping your head down (hah, I know, Adam, practice what you
preach) and doing good, dull engineering work. With your pocket
protector firmly in place.
This is all very convincing. But you also sent me a convincing message the
other week about Fedora's place on the innovation curve and, basically, the
difficulty of doing all that good dull work while being innovative. Stop
convincing me in different directions -- my head will fall off!
Or, in seriousness, because I don't think they're *necessarily* in direct
conflict, what do you think we should do about all of the above? Our mission
and branding, including our foundations, tend to steer away from the dull
and towards new shiny. In fact, whenever we do something that could be
characterized as head-down plodding forward progress instead of a bold leap,
we hear *quite a bit* of sarcasm about the four foundations in the online
chatter.
So, should we look at reconciling that in some way? Part of *my* idea for
Fedora.next was that the base circle could focus more on this careful and
non-thrilling engineering work while the outer rings could do the
big-exciting things at the same time. (Or even have *some* parts of the
outer rings working on big-exciting, while other parts work on _even more
solid_.)
*goes and gets coffee. not able to quite express what I mean. hope you
understand anyway*
Now I'm confused too. Env and Stack WG should do new and cool things,
but most of us are doing the boring work (databases and languages
maintenance). I believe we can do the boring stuff even in Fedora.next.
Cool stuff will be somewhere above the boring.
Marcela
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