On 10/05/2013 05:34 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 10/04/2013 06:23 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 03:14:27PM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Why should the community participate in this when it turns out that
the the whole WG and the next proposal is nothing but an utter and
total sheninagan on RH behalf as came apparent on last FESCO meeting
Jóhann, you're taking one out-of-context quote from one FESCo member,
reading too much into it, and building an alarmist story around it.
This is absolutely a real community process. Red Hat members of the
working
groups can make their merit-based cases the same way as anyone else,
and if
they can't show that merit to the community, they don't get a special
trump
card. They will have to find another way to advance their cause.
You may think that this is just talk, but I promise you it isn't. Fedora
provides value to Red Hat in many different ways, but genuine community
voice is among the most crucial. If that voice tells us one thing and we
can't listen, that's our failure, our loss -- and not what's going to
happen
here.
It's completely fair for Red Hat -- and Red Hatters -- to talk about what
directions in Fedora we think would be most beneficial to the company,
and
about the resources -- time, money, people, and so on -- that we could
bring
to bear in certain directions (and probably won't in other
directions). If
we clearly talk about that, and about the technical merit of directions
proposed, and we can't be convincing, and can't adapt what we're
proposing
to become convincing... well, we have some soul-searching to do.
And those words coming from a man who just back stabbed a man he went
into feature process with and left him hanging ( Lennart ).
Am I and the rest of the community supposed trust what you suddenly say
and claim now?
Hi Johann,
you use the word *the community* in your emails a lot, but I don't see
many others supporting your opinion, so can you please share with us who
is *the community* you're talking about? For one, it's definitely not me
and I think of my self as part of the community..(yes, I'm working for
the community even outside my RH paid job). So far it looks like you're
only hiding behind the term *community* because there's only you (or
just a few of you), but it's better to say community than *all four of us*.
Thanks,
Jirka
JBG
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