Marcela Mašláňová píše v Pá 26. 07. 2013 v 10:33 +0200: > On 07/26/2013 01:20 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:09:54PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> On 25 July 2013 16:59, Billy Crook <billycrook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>> Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for those features, then it looks like a waste of time, that work has been done. > >>> > >>> Unfeatures technically. He wanted to remove features from the Default > >>> spin. Subtracting functionality is not a feature. He wanted an > >>> unfeature. > >>> > >> > >> No he wanted out of the default install. We have a badly defined > >> naming scheme which is causing confusion: > >> > >> default install -> what you get when you put the DVD in and do a click > >> through install. > >> default spin -> The GNOME desktop livecd. > >> > >> Spins are managed by their respective "teams": > >> default has been GNOME and managed by GNOME sig > >> kde is managed by KDE sig > >> xfce is managed by XFCE sig > >> etc etc > >> > >> So I would say that the GNOME team is within its rights in managing > >> its spin. Whether it is named default etc is someone else's problem. > >> > > This has come up before and I think it's just plain unclear :-( > > > > The problem is that the desktop spin and the default spin are kinda two > > different roles but they are occupied by the same Product. In browsing old > > tickets, I see some times when fesco has decided the default spin didn't > > have to do what other other things did and sometimes when fesco said they > > did. AFAICS, there's been no generalized policy put into place in regards > > to this. So it's something that is decided on in every case where it comes > > up. > > > > I don't think anyone thought they were doing anything wrong by making the > > change in the desktop spin but because the desktop spin has more than one > > owner, I've sent it back to FESCo to vote on whether allowing this change > > there is something we intended or not. > > > > (/me notes that if mattdm's Ring 1 was defined, this might be somewhat > > easier to decide upon. If sendmail was in Ring 1 it would be an expected > > part of the Fedora Platform. Anything general purpose and carrying the name > > Fedora would probably have to carry it as well. If sendmail was in Ring 2, > > it probably would be fine to choose whether to install it or not as it > > wasn't a guaranteed part of the BaseOS. [You could also > > s@sendmail@/usr/bin/sendmail@ in that analysis if you so chose]) > > > > -Toshio > > > > > > > Reverting the change or creating the GNOME spin without rsyslog would be > valid options. FESCo decided to leave rsyslog in standard, which means > it should be installed in the default spin. Default spin is now shipped > with GNOME, so it should use FESCo guidance. > > I wouldn't miss default spin at all. At least in Europe we are giving > multi desktop DVD, so the default lost it's purpose anyway. Note that we're only giving away 4000 multidesktop DVDs in Europe. And that's a really small portion of total installations. The multidesktop live DVD is rather a special edition allowed by circumstances (CD, DVD, and dual-layer DVD are about the same cost to produce) than something we should aim for everywhere. Moreover as we will probably be slowly switching to low-cost USB flash drives with a smaller capacity we probably will have to reduce the selection again. Jiri -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
