On 07/26/2013 01:20 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:09:54PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 25 July 2013 16:59, Billy Crook <billycrook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for those features, then it looks like a waste of time, that work has been done.
Unfeatures technically. He wanted to remove features from the Default
spin. Subtracting functionality is not a feature. He wanted an
unfeature.
No he wanted out of the default install. We have a badly defined
naming scheme which is causing confusion:
default install -> what you get when you put the DVD in and do a click
through install.
default spin -> The GNOME desktop livecd.
Spins are managed by their respective "teams":
default has been GNOME and managed by GNOME sig
kde is managed by KDE sig
xfce is managed by XFCE sig
etc etc
So I would say that the GNOME team is within its rights in managing
its spin. Whether it is named default etc is someone else's problem.
This has come up before and I think it's just plain unclear :-(
The problem is that the desktop spin and the default spin are kinda two
different roles but they are occupied by the same Product. In browsing old
tickets, I see some times when fesco has decided the default spin didn't
have to do what other other things did and sometimes when fesco said they
did. AFAICS, there's been no generalized policy put into place in regards
to this. So it's something that is decided on in every case where it comes
up.
I don't think anyone thought they were doing anything wrong by making the
change in the desktop spin but because the desktop spin has more than one
owner, I've sent it back to FESCo to vote on whether allowing this change
there is something we intended or not.
(/me notes that if mattdm's Ring 1 was defined, this might be somewhat
easier to decide upon. If sendmail was in Ring 1 it would be an expected
part of the Fedora Platform. Anything general purpose and carrying the name
Fedora would probably have to carry it as well. If sendmail was in Ring 2,
it probably would be fine to choose whether to install it or not as it
wasn't a guaranteed part of the BaseOS. [You could also
s@sendmail@/usr/bin/sendmail@ in that analysis if you so chose])
-Toshio
Reverting the change or creating the GNOME spin without rsyslog would be
valid options. FESCo decided to leave rsyslog in standard, which means
it should be installed in the default spin. Default spin is now shipped
with GNOME, so it should use FESCo guidance.
I wouldn't miss default spin at all. At least in Europe we are giving
multi desktop DVD, so the default lost it's purpose anyway.
Marcela
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