On Sunday 28 July 2013 08:01:25 Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 09:56:16AM +0300, Oron Peled wrote: > > 1. By the same logic we can ship just a browser, why bother building > > LibreOffice if many use just google-docs? > Because not everyone uses Google Docs, and so any solution needs to > account for those who don't as well. And I thought those few "power-users" would install it by themselves ;-) Or, to make the example more to your taste -- if, as many claimed here, most people use Gmail can't we forgo installing MUA's by default? Hmmm.... new feature for F21? > > 2. People can still use gmail and other online services like twitter > > via desktop applications (in my case kmail and choqok respectively). > But most don't, and therefore an error reporting scheme that depends on > users running a local mail client is inappropriate. You don't suggest any alternative, so let me suggest an easy one (which btw I use on all my desktops for the last 20 years): * Something important is sent to local MTA. * User get mail notification on their desktop. * User click on the notification. * MUA opens. * User reads mail. All of this is plain configuration on any MUA/desktop-system. Just make these *DEFAULTS* and the "problem" is solved: * Alias root to installing user in /etc/aliases * Configure installed MUA's to include local spool mailbox by default. * Configure your desktop to notify about new mails. > > Last side note: helping non-expert people get used to quality local > > applications which have convenient defaults, is part of the push > > for "Freedom" -- if both your data and your applications are locked > > in vertical clouds, you aren't left with too much freedom. > > There are benefits in running local applications, especially when it > comes to freedom. However, we are unable to force our users to run local > applications. Don't force them -- expose the better value proposition: * Read mail accounts from different providers via single interface. * Get mail notifications, regardless of mail origin. * Subscribe to different IM systems via single IM application Correct default configuration of MTA+MUA is great way to hook people into these benefits -- especially those "newbies" (veterans already know this and configure this for themselves). -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 oron@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron Life is a sexually transmitted, 100% lethal disease. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
