On Tue, 23.07.13 11:52, Billy Crook (billycrook@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > Default should include what people 'generally expect of a GNU+Linux > system' -- and that includes an MTA. It should include a syslog, and > it should include screen too for that matter. This is the "let's do this out of tradition" argument. It's an awful argument. Just doing stuff because things were always done that way essentially boils down to "I hate change". Which is an OK opinion to have, but certainly not four Fedora, where the four Fs mean "Freedom, Friends, Features, First". The "First" indicates that we should be pioneers, and *not* the guys who never change because we are deeply suspicous of any change that is against "our tradition". This is particularly a bad argument as most Linux distribution installations do not include an MTA anymore (Ubuntu is substantially more popular than Fedora, and not just on the desktop). There's enough reason to believe that the what people "expect" from a Linux distribution might be very different these days from what *you* expect from it. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel