----- Original Message ----- > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 14:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > We ask this constantly on Fedora. Because Fedora is where innovation is > > supposed to take place, not where things are stay frozen in carbonite > > forever. > > > > (And let's never forget that Fedora is not the pioneer here. ArchLinux > > went journal-only already. We are not actually the innovators here, we > > just follow.) > > I believe openSUSE 12.3 does not install syslog anymore either. (I think > they decided they did not want to log everything twice? :) Fedora's > following this time. http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.tuning.logfiles.html Looks like they either still have /var/log/messages, or their documentation team are lazy. -- Ding-Yi Chen Software Engineer Internationalization Group DID: +61 7 3514 8239 Email: dchen@xxxxxxxxxx Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 Website: www.redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Facebook: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat Japan | Red Hat Korea | JBoss APAC Twitter: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat ANZ LinkedIn: Red Hat APAC | JBoss APAC -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel