On Wed, 17.07.13 12:24, Matthew Miller (mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:10:35PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > I think it's more correct for packages that expect to work on a textual > > /var/log/messages (or similar) to have a requirement on a meta 'syslog' > > package (which all three major daemons provide), even if it's implicitly > > depending on the default configuration of those packages, rather than the > > alternative of *no* dependencies that we have now. > > Sounds good, but: > > $ repoquery --whatprovides syslog > syslog-ng-0:3.4.1-1.fc19.x86_64 > sysklogd-0:1.5-13.fc19.x86_64 > rsyslog-0:7.2.6-1.fc19.x86_64 > systemd-0:204-9.fc19.x86_64 > > $ rpm -q --changelog systemd|grep -B1 'Provide syslog' > * Tue Oct 23 2012 Lennart Poettering <lpoetter@xxxxxxxxxx> - 195-2 > - Provide syslog because the journal is fine as a syslog implementation > > Lennart, maybe this should be re-thought as to what "syslog" means exactly > in this context? It's true that from an application-logging-stuff point of > view systemd-jourald provides this, but maybe that's not right. There were some packages which required "syslog" because they were clients to it, which is a pretty bogus thing to do. There's one of those packages left over now. Which is per-Unix-Syslog. If we get that one fixed to not require syslog, then we could drop Provides: syslog from journald. However, I wonder if this would be a good idea. journald does provide the /dev/log socket. I think most people understood the "syslog" dependency so far as a dependency from log client to log server, and not as a dependency on the existance of /var/log/messages. So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from journald, maybe we should add an explicit "syslog-files" dependency (or something named like that) and then make the classic syslog implementations provide that and the packages which actually need /var/log/messages pull that it? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
