On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:21:39AM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: > >You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts > >that monitor /var/log/messages > > We honestly cant keep progress and cleanup in the distribution back > out of fear of breaking some third party programs. Irrespective of whether journald is good or bad, this is a dumb argument. The whole purpose of distros (of *computers*) is to run software, some of it not included in the distro, some it highly customized scripts that people have written themselves. Text log files are not some sort of esoteric feature that hardly anyone uses. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-df lists disk usage of guests without needing to install any software inside the virtual machine. Supports Linux and Windows. http://people.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-df/ -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel