On Mon, 15.07.13 17:26, Jonathan Masters (jcm@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > >> The systemd journal will be the default logging solution. Rsyslog, Syslog-NG, > >> and even traditional sysklogd will continue to cover use cases outside of the > >> default. > > > > My voice may be one of thousands, but I'm saying: I want to have traditional syslog service as default and have journal from systemd as option. > > I concur. I have systems that live in a heterogeneous environment and > need traditional syslog. By making it optional, it will ultimately > die, forcing journal as the only viable option in a Fedora > environment. This is IMO not net beneficial for downstream use cases > later on either. I figure by "making it optional" you actually mean "not installing it by default"? What kind of logic is this? So everything that we don't install by default dies? That is a very weird idea. There are tons of packages in Fedora that are not installed by default and very healthy. I mean, what's next, you suggest to install Apache or MariaDB by default because otherwise "they die"? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel