On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 09:17 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > I'm afraid I can't agree. I like the simplicity of the model you're > > proposing, but from a practical point of view, there is still a commonly > > held perception that there is a 'product' called Fedora which is > > basically composed of what you get if you go to get.fedoraproject.org, > > download one of the things we push at you there, and install it. > > Practically speaking, I believe we have to QA that 'thing called Fedora' > > as a whole. I don't think your model quite matches what people perceive > > Fedora to be. > > What's your definition of what people perceive Fedora to be? "What do we talk about when we talk about Fedora?" :) Well, we just did a major release. Go look on news.google.com for "Fedora 19", or search for "Fedora 19 review", or just poke through a few popular tech sites and forums. What do people do when they want to 'try Fedora 19'? They download the primary image on the download page, which is the desktop live, and run it. This is what they've _always_ done. Do you ever see anyone doing a minimal install and commenting on the package loadout? Commenting on the actual interesting and difficult technical changes that are what a distribution really does? No, they run the live image for a couple of days, decide whether they think the desktop background looks nice, say whether they liked the installer, and bash GNOME 3 for a while. If we're really, really lucky they'll mention there are some other spins available. In passing. Without ever downloading one. And that's about it. > Regardless of peoples perception or what you think they are there > still would be products however we QA would take care of the installer > + base/core os bits and sub-communities that build upon that base/core > OS like Gnome takes care of QA their own spins. > > Who better are to QA their own spin then the people that a) use it b) > create it c) release it? People who want to do QA? I mean, that's why we have a QA team. You've been around longer than I have, but so far as I recall, the QA team has always been about doing more than simply testing the core OS. I must also confess to a personal interest here: if I'm expected to spend the rest of my professional life doing nothing but testing the goddamn installer I think I'll quit and start a yak farm. Is that really what you want us to do forever and ever amen? Apart from anything else, I find it *interesting* and *useful* to work on desktop testing... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
