On 03/11/2013 09:20 PM, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:07:32 +0100 > Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> I don't think we should generate any message. Nothing at all. My BIOS >> doesn't print a single line, and neither does the kernel if "quiet" is >> used (which is the default). I really don't see why Plymouth or the >> boot loader should print any more -- unless a real problem happens, >> or the user explicitly asked for more, or the boot takes very long. >> >> Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a >> tool for professionals. It shouldn't be too hard to expect from them >> to remember something as simple as maybe "press shift or Space or >> Esc" to get the boot menu or more verbose output. I mean, honestly, >> that's probably what most people would try automatically anyway if >> they want feedback from the machine. > > I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals. > > We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want people > to poke and prod around. > > If the bioses and systems years ago had been opaque we wouldn't have > gotten this far. +1 -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
