On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, 11.03.13 19:21, Tomasz Torcz (tomek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > >> > > Fine with me, but don't forget to have a hint to this key visible e. >> > > g., "Press F1 to..." in some corner. Current >> > > policy that user just should know the key is not that good IMHO. >> > > After all, this is the first screen a newcomer >> > > meets. And thisis not only about the initial grub boot but also the >> > > "main" boot process (and screen) that follows. >> > >> > >> > I really do like the idea of a line which says: >> > "Press <some key> to see what's going on right now" >> > It creates a learning opportunity for new users and a relatively benign >> > way to present this info. >> >> “Press ESC for details” is fine. The only problem is that we have to include >> half of graphical stack to render this text correctly. And in correct locale. > > I don't think we should generate any message. Nothing at all. My BIOS > doesn't print a single line, and neither does the kernel if "quiet" is > used (which is the default). I really don't see why Plymouth or the boot > loader should print any more -- unless a real problem happens, or the > user explicitly asked for more, or the boot takes very long. > > Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a > tool for professionals. It shouldn't be too hard to expect from them to > remember something as simple as maybe "press shift or Space or Esc" to > get the boot menu or more verbose output. I mean, honestly, that's > probably what most people would try automatically anyway if they want > feedback from the machine. > > We nowadays live in times where BIOS POST takes 500ms, the kernel one > second and userspace another one [1], with times like that you really > don't need any bootsplash or anything. With Windows 8 the laptop BIOSes > finally got fixed to be silent and quick during POST. Now its our turn > to achieve the same for the boot loader and the OS, both of which we > control. Clearly you haven't used any modern EFI server systems where I've used systems which take 15 minutes to post (and I can kickstart an entire RHEL-6 install less than 7 mins) and are generally longer than their predecessors Peter -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
