On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 09:56 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: > On 03/12/2013 09:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (sclark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > > > > How many times do you boot your system each day? 10? Okay thats a > > > whole 20 additional seconds. > > This is way up on my list of most non-sensical arguments about building > > OSes, right next to "Linux is about choice". > > > > This bullshit about "boot times don't matter" is just entirely bogus, > > and it doesn't get better by constant repitition. > > > > Fast boot times matter on desktops, they matter on embedded, they matter > > on mobile, they matter or servers, they matter everywhere. > > > > Fast boot times matter to dual-boot users, they matter to everybdoy who > > doesn't run his system 24/7, they matter in container setups, they > > matter in HA setups, they matter in the cloud, they matter for people > > who update their system, they matter to people with discontiniuous power > > supplies, they matter to provide users with a sane user experience. > > > > Fast boot times save you time and energy. They increase reliability, and > > applicability. > > > > Fast boot times improve the first impression our OS makes on people. > > > > And yes, I know that some BIOSes suck, and are slower than the OS to > > boot. But that's -- for once -- something that *does* not matter, and is > > no excuse for having everything else to be slow, too. The Windows 8 > > certification *requires* fast POST from all machines, and so, it's only > > getting better, and we should do our bit about it. > > > > You know: *you* might not need fast boot. *Your* systems you might not > > reboot only every other week. *Your* server system might have a very > > slow BIOS POST. But we don't do this OS for *you* alone. Fedora has a > > certain claim of universality. And that's why fast boot matters to > > Fedora. > > > > Lennart > > > How in the hell does 2 more seconds when booting a Desktop make any > difference in an 8 to 10 hour > day that the computer is going to be up. Go get a cup a coffee! > > You keep touting window 8 - maybe you should just use it an leave > Linux alone! I reboot VMs a lot for development, 2 seconds do make a difference, it's a little thing but 99% of the time I do not care about what is shown, just that the machine is back up as fast as possible. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
