On 12 Feb 2013 19:53, "Jon Ciesla" <limburgher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburgher@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:
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>> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering
>> > <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>> > > Heya,
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>> > > since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire
>> > > it entirely from the distribution now.
>> > >
>> > > Most deps on CK are gone. Holdouts are "cdm", "lightdm", "lxsession",
>> > > "lxdm".
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>> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life
>> > >
>> > > This page doesn't say anything about retiring packages other still
>> > > depend on...
>> > >
>> > > I am tempted to just retire CK ignoring the remaining dependencies, in
>> > > the hope this will put the pressure on the folks involved to update
>> > > their stuff...
>> > >
>> > > Getting rid of CK in those packages is dead simple BTW. Just disable it
>> > > in the packages, but make sure pam_systemd is in the PAM stack for your
>> > > greeter tool. It's basically about removing code, not about adding
>> > > new code -- adding new code is only necessary if you want to improve
>> > > your DM to handle multi-seat setups, too (which is a new feature of
>> > > logind, not available in CK[1]). For details, see:
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>> > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/writing-display-managers
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>> > > I'd also like to retire "esound" finally. Currently, adplay, ayttm,
>> > > dopewars, e16, gnome-libs, gnubg, lxdream, moon-buggy, spacechart,
>> > > xarchon, xmms-esd still use it. esd of course has been deprecated and
>> > > dead since many years, the packages which still use it really should
>> > > wake up one day. So here, too, I'd just like to retire the package...
>> > >
>> > > Alternatively, somebody else can take these over, but honstely I'd
>> > > rather see them removed than continue to bitrot in our repository...
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>> > So to clarify, you're not actually retiring anything currently, just
>> > expressing to the community that you'd like to and that we should work
>> > toward making that possible?
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>> Well, I am just checking before I do something whether I can actually do
>> it. That's all. By next week or so I will either have retired the
>> packages (which I'd prefer) or somebody else took them over (which I'd
>> prefer not to do, but which we can do too, if the retro-computing folks
>> step up...)
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> I'd prefer that you orphan them, and mail the list, ccing <foo>-owner for each dependency, that you're doing so. That said, I maintain gnugb, and was able to easily remove the esound requirement. If no one else wants to maintain esound, I will, even if only long enough to excise it from the packages that need it.
In the case of esound I think we're better killing them because I suspect in all cases the packages are either:
- optional packages better served by either native PA or alsa support in other sub/related packages
- disable the esd support and just use the native alsa/oss in the package
In all cases I strongly doubt the user will lose functionality and we should just get on with it.
>> > If so, do you have any guidelines on getting rid of esound requirements?
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>> Dunno really. My suspicion is that the packages in question are either
>> obsolete on their own, or should just be compiled with --disable-esd or
>> so. These packages all look pretty much esoteric or obsolete to me, so I
>> am not really that curious what precisely packagers would need to do...
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> Obsolete is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think games ever truly are. ;)
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> -J
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>> Lennart
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