Chris Adams (cmadams@xxxxxxxxxx) said: > Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham <notting@xxxxxxxxxx> said: > > Some additional ideas, and reasons why I may have left things Iin that were > > suggested to remove... > > Okay, that's a starting point. > > However, what is the reasoning behind this? There are a number of > things in your list of removed things that are still quite useful and > not redundant. Before this really goes anywhere, what is the > justification for what goes (and what stays in for that matter)? Sure, going through the diff: - <packagereq>bc</packagereq> - <packagereq>dump</packagereq> - <packagereq>ed</packagereq> - <packagereq>finger</packagereq> - <packagereq>ftp</packagereq> - <packagereq>rdate</packagereq> - <packagereq>rsh</packagereq> - <packagereq>talk</packagereq> - <packagereq>telnet</packagereq> - <packagereq>ypbind</packagereq> Moved to legacy-unix. - <packagereq>cyrus-sasl-plain</packagereq> Should be Required: by apps that need it. - <packagereq>dbus</packagereq> Pulled in implicitly by @core, moved there to be explicit. - <packagereq>logrotate</packagereq> Required: by rsyslog. Not used if you're not using rsyslog. - <packagereq>ntsysv</packagereq> Doesn't do much useful these days with systemd migration. (chkconfig has redirects; this does not.) - <packagereq>tmpwatch</packagereq> Out of the box, conflicts with systemd's own tmp reaper. For apps that ship additional tmpwatch dirs (cups, etc.) they require it. - <packagereq>btrfs-progs</packagereq> Will be installed by anaconda if you install on btrfs; can move to @core if it becomes the default FS. - <packagereq>coolkey</packagereq> - <packagereq>pam_pkcs11</packagereq> Will move to a smart-card-auth group shortly. - <packagereq>dmraid</packagereq> Will be installed by anaconda if you need it. - <packagereq>fprintd-pam</packagereq> Pulled in the GNOME desktop environment; doesn't need to be in the smaller server installs. - <packagereq>irda-utils</packagereq> Ancient cruft. - <packagereq>lftp</packagereq> Removed; ftp is in legacy-unix. - <packagereq>mdadm</packagereq> Will be installed by anaconda if you need it (and pulled in by udisks2 if you install that.) - <packagereq>passwdqc</packagereq> Not used in the default config any more (libpwquality is used.) - <packagereq>pcmciautils</packagereq> Ancient cruft (for old 16-bit only slots.) - <packagereq>pm-utils</packagereq> See Lennart's reasoning on this. I could be swayed, or convinced that we should provide compat 'pm-suspend/pm-hibernate' binaries that just link to systemctl. - <packagereq>rdist</packagereq> Doesn't belong in @standard; possibly should be in legacy-unix, or some other 'random administration utilities' section. - <packagereq>stunnel</packagereq> - <packagereq>tree</packagereq> Not functionality needed by everyone out of the box. - <packagereq>time</packagereq> bash has this builtin; don't think the additional features warrant this on every non-minimal install. - <packagereq>vconfig</packagereq> Functionality subsumed by /sbin/ip. - <packagereq>wget</packagereq> curl is already in the minimal install. (This will get pulled in by a bunch of other packages in Fedora anyway.) - <packagereq>wireless-tools</packagereq> Functionality subsumed by iw. Although this is perhaps premature until initscripts gets ported to it. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
