On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 20:14:05 +0000 Matthew Garrett <mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 11:31:18AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > we're still thrashing around trying to figure out how to build and > > ship the initramfs that fedup needs. > > "we" are? I see approximately nobody offering assistance in that > respect. If it would make you feel better, I can stop building test images, updating test repos, testing fedup, writing documentation, answering questions in bugzilla as best I can and attempting to help coordinate. I'm obviously not helping in the least and it sounds like my time would be better spent elsewhere. It'd certainly take things off my plate and then you can do the work. My skill set is not infinite. Sure, I could drop everything that I'm doing in an attempt to wrap my head around how dracut and systemd are used during upgrades so that I can help write the code needed for fedup. However, I suspect that it would not only be incredibly inefficient and slow down any testing efforts I'm involved in but I would probably ask so many questions that I would just slow down the development process. That sounds like a great plan. > Anyway, it obviously gets built by Lorax, just like > everything else under images. Which is why I've gotten multiple answers on how the initramfs is going to be generated, what it's going to look like and there's nothing written about it in the official docs. It's so obvious, the answer hasn't been consistent over time, releng has had very little idea of what's going on and to the best of my knowledge, almost nothing has been written down about the process. Look, I realize that Will is getting the short end of the stick here but there's not a whole lot that I, Adam or most of the rest of the QA folks can do about that at the moment. We don't have the needed skills right now and there are other things that need to be done outside fedup development before F18 can be released. The best thing we can do right now is to continue supporting development via testing, filing bugs and coordination. I'm doing my best to help in any way that I can so that Will (and anyone else capable of helping with development) can focus on getting the stuff done that he seems to be uniquely qualified for. Adam and _many_ other people are working really hard to test F18, file bugs and help make sure that when F18 is released, it's something we can all be proud of. Asserting that we aren't helping in any way is incredibly insulting and in my opinion, rather naive. I realize that I don't write code that gets shipped with Fedora and I realize that through some eyes, that's what happens when you have no talent or useful skills. If that's what you want to think, go for it; you wouldn't be the first person to think so and I sincerely doubt that you'd be the last. Tim
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