Am 05.11.2011 20:18, schrieb Kevin Kofler: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> yes - because most maintainers are having bugzilla-accounts upstream >> and reading the uptream-mailing-lists and are much more cooperative as >> the KDE SIG, especially Kevin Kofler > > Yes, we have Bugzilla accounts upstream. But as I explained, upstream wants > to talk to the actual person experiencing the bug, not to a middleman. Plus, > we get many bug reports, it'd be very time-consuming for us to forward them > all upstream, whereas you as a user (hopefully) have much fewer bug reports > to deal with. It's not our job to play "stille Post" for you (a game which > necessarily loses information with every middleman you introduce). most maintainers see this different and only the fact that fedora-packages are mostly patched makes it not useful throw all upstream first the sense of a distribution for users is have a centralized source for packages and problems, if your standard-answer is "report upstream" you are damaging the benefits of a distribution for users i have filled MANY bugreports in the last years and really often some hours later there was a new version on koji, maintainer aksed to try this, confirmed as "works now" and the maintainer submitted his patch upstream and included it as long iht was not fixed upstream in the fedora-packages - this way users start to love fedora, the maintainers and all peopole from users, maintainers to upstream developers are happy - your way of handling bugreports is the exactly oppiste of this >> if you than report a bundle of new introduced bugs upstream you are >> told in the case of KDE yous hould file for every piece a seperate >> bugreport https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236025 is the best example that this is not useful - in this case some random guy decided to replace a whole io-subsytem from scratch without any knowledge what he is doing for POSSIBLE get better performance sometimes later which is not true in exactly this case because the limit is the network and not the kio-slave after such a useless, not needed replacement force users open a bunch of bugreports instead revert the whole changes and release them if they are finished and useable is the wrong way anyways: fact is that if you punsih users how to report bugs in such ways the result will be for MANY of them stop reporting bugs
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