On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:46:31AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 18:50 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > We have lots of suggestions. As I've said at least fifty times, it's > > > pointless going too far with the slapping of band-aids on the current > > > karma system, because it's fundamentally too simplistic: it's never > > > going to be perfect and there is a definite point of diminishing returns > > > if we keep screwing with it. > > > > Right. That's why we need to abolish it. > > Why? How would that make anything better? With the proven tester system, > one somewhat-broken update got through. Without it, we would have had > five or six utterly broken glibc updates this F16 cycle. Just check the > history of submissions to glibc in Bodhi. Given the known attitudes of > the glibc maintainers, if they were allowed to simply submit all their > builds directly to stable, they would certainly have done so...and > broken everyone's systems time and time again. > > I'd say the history of F16 updates to glibc demonstrates the raging > success of the proventesters system, not its failure. You snipped the part where Kevin wrote "[...] if the maintainer demonstrates incompetence at taking these decisions, the offending maintainer needs to be replaced." The problem here appears to be a human one, not something that software is going to fix any time soon. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones New in Fedora 11: Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows programs, test, and build Windows installers. Over 70 libraries supprt'd http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW http://www.annexia.org/fedora_mingw -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
