On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > So essentially all that's going on here is 'wait for udev to be done', > which is a fairly sensible prerequisite for all manner of other bits of > boot. > > The reasons why udev takes a while to be 'done' are more interesting and > Lennart went into some of them. Right, and as I've said..in the context of the comparison with Knoppix specifically I found evidence that udev settle use to be a long boot up blocker in previous Knoppix releases. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Knoppix init had been changed in the newest release that JB tried to no longer call the settle function (or call it with a very short timeout) But I'm not going to be downloading Knoppix and dissecting its init to prove that to myself. Its obvious from my testing that settle is one of the big blockers, a blocker multiple live distributions have hit in the last year actually. What I'm trying to do is wrap my head around is even if we defaulted to a no LVM install scenario how could we reconstitute the logic associated with fedora-local-fs so the lvm based need for udev settle was optional. It's seems like digging ourselves out of the hole while still supporting lvm as a non-default option could be complicated. -jef -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel