On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB <jb.1234abcd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > 13837ms udev-settle.service > 11392ms plymouth-start.service if you use the plot option instead of blame option and produce the svg of the service timing you get a better feel for what Lennart was talking about with regard to the udev settle being problematic. I'll try to break it down for you. Keep the following in mind when you look over the svgs produced in susequent testing. udev-settle.service essentially calls udevadm settle and that's all it does. udevadm settle takes FOREVER (15 seconds) to return during boot up on my live media run But its returns more quickly on on F15 install (3 seconds). I'll check a full F16 beta install soonish. as a result udev-settle.service its essentially a hard blocking dependency in the dependency ordering through the fedora-wait-storage.service which waits for udev-settle and completes before local-fs.service starts which in terms comes before a lot of other things via the dependency ordering (from visual inspection of the Before After logic in the service files). It's not just plymouth-start service that waits for udev-settle. So my question to use is. Is Knoppix at any point running udevadm settle in its init in the knoppix you tried? In the past Knoppix releases have also been impacted by udevadm settle taking a long time as well. I let you google for the forum references. It's not just Knoppix that's been impacted, other thin distros seem to have run afoul of long udevadm settle init waits according to multiple 2011 google hits ive found. Times are tough all over it seems. So my question to you is this, is the version of knoppix you are using still calling udevadm settle as part of its init or is it delibrately short circuited with a short duration timeout? -jef -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel