On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 21:55, Tom Lane <tgl@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Bruno Wolff III <bruno@xxxxxxxx> writes: >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 01:08:56 +0300, >> Kalev Lember <kalevlember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> With my proposal, Branched and rawhide would have exactly the same >>> package set during the Alpha Freeze - Beta Freeze time frame. That way, >>> we'd have a month to let users choose whether they want to stay on the >>> Branched or on the rawhide track. > >> I'd still like to be able to play with new stuff that might not be ready >> by beta, in rawhide during that time. > > Yeah. This proposal seems like it breaks one of the fundamental process > improvements we already made, namely No Frozen Rawhide. I don't have a > problem with Kalev's goal of reducing the amount of overhead for > maintainers who only want to update rawhide and branched together, but > I do object to doing that by preventing maintainers who want to push > rawhide forward from doing so. It is only an improvement if it works consistently. The problem is that all it takes is some critical package getting a 'broken' update in rawhide and the developer getting pulled into concentrating on release issues that a de-facto freeze occurs anyway. The perception from living on rawhide for a while is that this happens enough during the alpha/beta/rc stage that we might as well freeze because critpath items that upgraded but don't work aren't going to get focus until after Fedora N is out the door. -- Stephen J Smoogen. "The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance." Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "Let us be kind, one to another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle." -- Ian MacLaren -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
