In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain does someone like Jonathan Corbet expect and how can we better serve them? [And no this isnt me trying for another distro quote of the week, he is just my reference point of someone I know who runs rawhide day in and out.] In some cases, expectations may be off which means we need to market our deliverables better. In other cases, they may be looking for a better way to get attention to rawhide issues when everyone else is focused on F-XX-beta. In that case we can look at a mechanism that allows for less "zero-sum" game antics of elementary school yard "you suck, no you suck more" that the threads head towards. -- Stephen J Smoogen. "The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance." Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "Let us be kind, one to another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle." -- Ian MacLaren -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel