On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 09:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of > the channel? My expectation is something that basically works. Like others have said, I expect occasional breakage, but my "rawhide criterion" is "latest version that works", not "latest version, let's see if it works". Ideally, when stuff breaks, there should be some centralised way of co-ordinating fixes/workarounds like "common bugs" in the release docs. All that's probably needed is a wiki page - I know test@ exists, but I don't particularly want to a. follow another list, b. rely on mail working :D to fix a broken rawhide. I think this description from the wikipage is pretty much the ideal statement of the tension in rawhide: "End users should not use Rawhide as their main day-to-day workstation. Because Rawhide is a development branch, many changes are not heavily tested (or tested at all) before being released to Rawhide, and packages in Rawhide can and do break without warning. It is even possible that bugs in Rawhide could cause data loss. However, testing Rawhide is a very valuable activity which helps direct Fedora development and ensure that the quality of the stable releases is high." I think the more people on rawhide, testing, the better. So that implies to me that the barrier to using rawhide be as low as possible, which means avoiding breaking changes - in particular, "many changes ... not tested at all" just isn't appropriate IMHO. Cheers Alex. -- This message was scanned by Better Hosted and is believed to be clean. http://www.betterhosted.com -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel