On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:38:38 +0100 > FranÃois Cami <fdc-lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Kevin Kofler >> <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >> So, there are no folks in the KDE sig using F13 anymore? >> >> >> >> Perhaps call for testers in the users / kde lists? >> > >> > I think this issue goes far, far beyond just KDE. There are >> > packages which have few users even for Fedora n, let alone n-1. >> >> That may be pure speculation, but it seems that Fedora contributors >> testing updates only use Fedora n because they tend to upgrade as soon >> as the next release is available. We have a few choices, including: >> * actively deciding that n-1 will receive less updates than n (good, I >> think, because the worst kinks should be hammered out of a distro in 6 >> months anyway, so that leaves more or less security). >> * pushing updates for n-1 no matter what testing they've had (bad). >> Any other option I haven't thought of? > > Some more: > > * Try and increase number of people testing N-1/N-2 updates. > > a) Be more active about asking people to test new versions in support > channels (#fedora/users list/forums) and have an easy to understand > landing point for them on the wiki to find out more. > > b) Try and solicit testers in area specific channels (kde lists, > proftpd users, etc). "Anyone here using X on fedora? here's how you can > help us out: ..." > > c) Provide better test cases to allow casual users to test the updates > in vm's or the like. Or add more test automation? We've already got a framework for that. > * Stop shipping N-2 / N-1 sooner. If no one is using them, why ship > Âthem? I mentioned that Fedora contributors who provide update feedback might not be using n-1, that doesn't mean we don't have n-1 users. Users who care enough about updates to send feedback probably also upgrade every 6 months to run the latest version of stuff. Yet this is not the case of the average user. > * focus on 'high/important' updates with what testing we have. Would > Âneed some way to note or mark them however. Or move to security-only for n-1? -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
