On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:33, Cole Robinson <crobinso@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 07/21/2010 10:42 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> On Wed, 21.07.10 22:13, Chuck Anderson (cra@xxxxxxx) wrote: >> >>> >>> Well, there is some merit in the already stated argument for having >>> good UI design. In this example, you could have used long-standing >>> precedent of using -v -vv -vvv (or -q -qq -qqq, or --verbose=N) >>> arguments instead of "status" "show" "check". Now you've created new >>> lore of needing to know when to use "status" vs. "show" vs. "check", >>> what the differences are between them, and what their order of >>> increasing verbosity is. >> >> Well, I think good UI means that you distuingish computer parsable and >> human readable tools. "status" is human readable. "show"/"check" are >> computer-parsable. >> > > I would recommend having 'status' maintain the same semantics as > 'service foo status'. The new names aren't sufficiently more > understandable to warrant breaking from long established naming scheme IMO. > > Generally I think maintaining similar CLI behavior with 'service' for > common functionality is a good thing. Which situation is more desirable? > > Situation 1: > Ted: "I heard systemctl is kind of replacing service..." > # systemctl libvirtd status > Unknown command 'libvirtd' > > Ted: "Huh? Oh, must need command first" > # systemctl status libvirtd > Could not find unit '/etc/systemd/libvirtd' > > Ted: "Whaa? <looks in /etc> I guess I need to specify the whole file?" > # systemctl status libvirtd.service > <semi-verbose output> > > Ted: "WTF!? I just want the status output! Do I need to parse all this? > systemd/fedora sux" > Hey you know Ted too. He's the guy who mailed us a lighter and a bag full of poop in 1998... since it was do it yourself Unix. I have to say the best Command Line UI I have had to deal lately is cobbler. The commands are laid out nicely and if you fuck up you can see a long list of options and how they should be used. -- Stephen J Smoogen. “The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance.” Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "We have a strategic plan. It's called doing things."" — Herb Kelleher, founder Southwest Airlines -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
