On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 05:25:19AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Now, after discussing this over 2years with many folks and reading up on > launchd and SMF and the opinions on the net, we then distilled of the > requests a set of good features we wanted to implement. Some of those That is interesting and good for your project. I know you're intelligent and an great coder, and I have no problem with assuming you did an excellent job in your research. However, it is -- and I mean this as no insult -- only tangentially interesting to Fedora. > matter to you. Others don't. But to other people other features matter > and the ones you like don't. And even other people have even other > priorities. This is true in a vacuum. In a concrete setting -- a specific distribution -- it's important to discuss what the priorities of that specific situation are, and whether a particular piece of software fits those priorities. And bluntly: I don't think you've done that. The "benefit to Fedora" section of the feature page says 1) it's a better design (which is to say nothing about features or priorities or use cases) and 2) it may eventually speed up booting but is not actually guaranteed to do that yet. So, while you may have done a good job of fitting your software to the needs you see in the world, that doesn't automatically mean that there's a good match for Fedora. (Again, it may be, but you can't just say "We say it's compelling, so trust us and be compelled.") > We don't try to make everybody happy with systemd. We will neither offer > every feature people might have requested, nor are we going to drop > features just because others don't see the need. Please accept that. It > doesn't make the project pointless. I didn't say it was pointless. In fact, I think I'm on record as saying that it's an interesting project. But while you don't have to "make everybody happy" in a general sense, in order to be relevant to Fedora, you *do* need to make a convincing case that the Fedora Project as a whole will be better off with your project as the default. And I think it's _very_ fair to say that you had an interesting idea and are working to get your interesting idea into Fedora quickly for the benefit and growth of the interesting idea itself, not necessarily for the benefit of Fedora or Fedora users. In the happy ideal, those two would coincide and everyone wins, but it's asking a lot of faith from the user community -- and hubris and arrogance may not be the best strategy. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx> Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
