On Wed, 14.07.10 19:07, drago01 (drago01@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Lennart Poettering (mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx) said: > >> Well, I don't think we want to support both. I believe F14 should be > >> systemd and only systemd, but we want the option to revert to upstart > >> should that not work out. > >> > >> I am very much interested to get upgraded systems to use systemd as > >> well, which is why I'd really like to go the Obsoletes way, and use a > >> versioned Obsoletes, so that we can switch back to upstart if we want to > >> by another versioned Obsoletes, but this time from upstart. (which is > >> exactly what James Antill proposed in his mail) > >> > >> Or in other words: I'd like to make this switch for the whole distro, > >> not leave it to the individual machines. > >> > >> So, unless there is really strong opposition to the Obsoletes approach > >> I'd go on and do the switch? > > > > If we're at the... 95% coverage case, I guess. What I don't want is that > > machines suddenly stop booting with no recourse other than init=/bin/bash > > and manual recovery. There are some side cases that would be nice to either > > have working, or documenting that they're not done yet (serial consoles, > > assorted other things.) > > What about this (ugly) approach: > > Make upstart require systemd and make it to be the default. > This was people running "yum update" will get systemd while still > having upstart as a fallback in case stuff breaks. Well, that doesn't really work, since upstart and systemd would fight for the /sbin/init name. If we want the system to boot into systemd by default /sbin/init must be linekd to /bin/systemd. systemd provides compatibility with those sysv tools like reboot/shutdown/runlevel and init itself via symlinks to native binaries. The package "systemd" currently includes the native binaries and "systemd-sysvinit" adds in those symlinks. Only "systemd-sysvinit" conflicts with upstart, and only that package is what makes systemd the default init system. And that is the package which I want to make obsolete upstart. To achieve what you want to do upstart would need to support something similar: make it possible to install it without insisting on the /sbin/init file name and related ones, and then add in those names via symlinks only by a an upstart-sysvinit package or so. But upstart doesn't support something like that. Sorry. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
