On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Lennart Poettering (mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx) said: >> Well, I don't think we want to support both. I believe F14 should be >> systemd and only systemd, but we want the option to revert to upstart >> should that not work out. >> >> I am very much interested to get upgraded systems to use systemd as >> well, which is why I'd really like to go the Obsoletes way, and use a >> versioned Obsoletes, so that we can switch back to upstart if we want to >> by another versioned Obsoletes, but this time from upstart. (which is >> exactly what James Antill proposed in his mail) >> >> Or in other words: I'd like to make this switch for the whole distro, >> not leave it to the individual machines. >> >> So, unless there is really strong opposition to the Obsoletes approach >> I'd go on and do the switch? > > If we're at the... 95% coverage case, I guess. What I don't want is that > machines suddenly stop booting with no recourse other than init=/bin/bash > and manual recovery. There are some side cases that would be nice to either > have working, or documenting that they're not done yet (serial consoles, > assorted other things.) What about this (ugly) approach: Make upstart require systemd and make it to be the default. This was people running "yum update" will get systemd while still having upstart as a fallback in case stuff breaks. Once we decide to stick to it we could remove the requirement and add the obsolete. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
