Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> I fail to see where counterproductivity as such is mentioned
There:
| So - the bottom line is that it's very doubtful how the open source EDA
| community will benefit from taking aboard VMM or OVM. This is not our
| fight at the end of the day!? And we should not take side there. Think
| about it - this thing will make their bait to look more juicy, they will
| most likely put it into their fliers, they will get contributions and
| resources from the community (packaging and maybe more) in return for
| what? That's what I call a free beer and we all believe Fedora is not
| about it.
> That's a very, very different discussion then "code vs. content".
I don't think it is that different, if at all. OVM is more like content than
code, as its purpose is not to be a program you want to run on your
computer. And even if you consider it code, then the issue that it's
useless without proprietary software is still exactly the same.
> Also, I do read:
>
> "And now the next question - is it feasible to develop an open source
> SystemVerilog simulator in the near feature? I'm sorry to say - but it
> seems not. Not soon. Too little resources for a too big task. I'll be
> happy if somebody proves me wrong."
>
> Which to me reads like it needs time, community, and support -not
> counterproductivity. Fedora can offer these three for free, and may
> benefit from it. It's a nifty, kinky line of business I do not
> understand the least bit about, but I fail to see where this is negative
> and therefor not accepted into Fedora.
That's a very selective reading of his post, and I believe you're missing
his point entirely!
See his introduction:
| I'm sorry Chitlesh, about how do you feel, but I'm sure that after some
| time you'll realize that actually "they" are probably right. I'll give you
| a bit different look to the problem. Sorry for the long post...
and his conclusion:
| P.S. Chitlesh, it is not a failure. It might have been if you succeeded.
| Sometimes before you learn how to do things you have to learn how not to
| do them. Keep up the good work.
I don't read the paragraph you quoted as a plea for help from the Fedora
community at all. Writing a SystemVerilog simulator needs people familiar
with the domain and interested in volunteering for it, not your average
packager or even programmer. The developers will have to come from the
Electronics community. And in any case, shipping OVM is not the way to
recruit such people at all. People interested in coding such a simulator
can easily get OVM directly from upstream.
Kevin Kofler
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