I wanted to mention the issue with the icons, because it seemed relevant, and something we'd need to think about if we kept the package. But certainly, the right thing to do if keeping setroubleshoot would be to make sure that setroubleshoot notifies via the normal mechanisms (which are what users are used to for updates, ABRT, etc) rather than to jump through hoops to keep a hard-to-identify yellow nag icon that shows up on the desktop.
It sounds like from what Elad says, that nothing is necessary - and that setroubleshoot was already using libnotify. That's good, and does slightly reduce the bar to retain setroubleshoot, but having looked at setroubleshoot UI again, I just don't feel there's a justification to notify the user in the default configuration that they need to visit this application - it's just not well suited to the task of walking a non-operating-system-export through reporting an issue with the operating system.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:38 AM Owen Taylor <otaylor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi Adam,While I appreciate that setroubleshoot can be a useful tool for testers to file bug reports, to be in the default install, I think it needs to meet some minimum requirement of good experience for users encountering it. - and when you consider setroubleshoot in the role of:Average target user encounters an operating system defect and reports itI just don't think it meets that target. In addition, as of gnome-3.26, we don't even show indicator icons unless you install an extension, so setroubleshoot isn't filling the expected role of notifying about problems.I'm really not sure "We made a terrible decision to suppress projects' notification mechanisms" == "this project isn't notifying about problems". The tool notifies... you just decided to stop showing that to the user and are now using that as a circular argument for why the tool is not useful.There are valid complaints to make about the user experience. However, removing a tool that is eminently useful to developers of the system simply because you don't think it's pretty enough is cutting off your nose to spite your face.The overwhelming majority of SELinux bugs get found and fixed because people like me use Rawhide/Branched and use SETroubleshoot to report them. This is why the Workstation WG seems to think that SELinux bugs don't happen that often... we're catching them before you notice most of the time.Yes, people can still install the package after the fact, but honestly without it (and without the notifications you are suppressing by default), people often do not realize the denials are occurring.I think we need to get this back in the default install and fix the misfeature of suppressing the system tray icon (even if this means installing TopIcons+ by default on Workstation).
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