-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi This sounds sensible to me. Unfortunately, i don't know how the major graphics card manufacturers will respond. I suspect it will be something on the order of "just use our driver". I admit, from the posts i've seen here there's a clear line between people who want their systems to "just work" and people who want as much foss as possible. I'm in the second camp. I have little patience for the "just work" method, especially because it usually does not just work, someone has to do the setup and jump through the hoops Thanks Kendell clark Sent from Fedora GNU/Linux Alex G.S. wrote: >> >> I'm planning on working on this when we're further into the >> Wayland transition, as I feel that any work on X11 would be soon >> wasted, and I don't want to set my Optimus horses before the >> Wayland cart is ready. > > > Having the FOSS and proprietary drivers be mutually exclusive > creates a scenario where a user get's the worst of two > experiences. > > The proprietary and FOSS drivers should be able to be installed at > the same time and loaded when needed depending on the use-case. > Ideally the user should default to the FOSS driver and run a GNOME > Wayland session. When they play a game from Steam the proprietary > drivers should be dynamically loaded as an isolated X11 session > similar to what XWayland does today. The user should also be able > to run apps with the proprietary driver if they wish but the > overall desktop should be managed by the FOSS drivers. > > Then the FOSS driver developers in the Nouveau, AMD and Intel > projects could focus entirely on Wayland and standard desktop apps > like Chromium and Firefox. That would accelerate the development > of a usable FOSS driven Wayland desktop and most users could then > make the migration. > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Bastien Nocera > <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> Christian Schaller píše v ?t 07. 05. 2015 v 14:34 -0400: >>> Optimus support >>>> Quite a few people did bring up that our Optimus support >>>> wasn't great. Luckily I know Bastien Nocera is working on >>>> something there based on work by Dave Arlie, so hopefully >>>> this is one we can check off soon. >>> >>> I had a talk on Fedora Workstation in front of 100 people who >>> were mostly our target audience (developers, students,...) and >>> I also asked them what annoys them on Linux desktop the most. >>> Support for multiple graphics cards was the most frequent >>> answer. No distribution has really solved this problem. >> >> We already support multiple graphics cards... >> >> What we don't support is matching an output to a graphics card on >> laptops with multiple graphics cards, leading to either lowered >> performance, or lowered battery life. >> >> I'm planning on working on this when we're further into the >> Wayland transition, as I feel that any work on X11 would be soon >> wasted, and I don't want to set my Optimus horses before the >> Wayland cart is ready. >> >>> And for Fedora I would also add nVidia drivers. Not having >>> multimedia support by default is a disadvantage, but it's >>> really a matter of running one command and installing a couple >>> of packages. But if you don't have good graphics card drivers >>> or they break with every new release of kernel it's a >>> dealbreaker because it can't be reliably solved by a couple of >>> commands. >>> >>> So instead of complaining about issues that can't be solved >>> because they are not technical issues (patent-protected >>> codecs), let's focus on problems that are technical because >>> there is still a lot of room for improvement. >> >> I don't think that's a good way to look at things. I don't think >> that having hardware support 6 months before Ubuntu is going to >> make people want to move from Ubuntu when things already work >> "well enough" (it's not as if the graphics card didn't work at >> all), when getting the distribution set up is still going to be a >> pain. >> >> It's an important problem to look into, not something to sweep >> under the rug. -- desktop mailing list >> desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVUQ0OAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdsZAP/39Gq2vb8kWQBMBXiDa0n0Kq Y//xCmzM5UXut35rws9TklI83ufRBJwfiLfw/BlK59nvYTtPw0l5kYrmQLRwB09n X3Tx/pQT1f+9VD+rNKkjLwCoHvvIxOMKJ1zGJKicBXFHTeQi2b9VmbDWUomHS33d uEBIKotKxT1vrgRvLZcJ7V8J40UEw0LUgmRjicAo5x+tt5aKdCxeVwdhIjRi8X/f zfQvv0OZCL7X/1cDG7lxre7RbsoRlPkurrtucjTsKqJvPZnbFdBJePXqUjv8GBNi qo45g/Ef7pLd4OUjIQB+8r3eTSwMQcbXpZigvgSC56wFyJKB7Pr6cfmThQAAwFTx Y0gkyu4o3XxxYZ2ckTHTLTlmfwxrpX62J8tQ/2u2qbklJDnyVIcN5elGyX/tBUIW qss5EKZFM+D+GygOr3Z+by6DQ7uGFXk7jF22FHghJmtndf6VKj+7Y8efv/W0oC0K VwGKB09iV4PsIitX0gpBJyPjw9Dx2o7nkbfaC+NAqpy1m4EjPDjkTUkwulQSWhuD bRG3y5LpxVJ+mcw5zxONyrd8FrRben8r5pICT+oyHAH3arCoQdjslKQzmSK8Rf0z LM+hrXKnCYMIFTki2bfUyXmbGE4BdFVzTACJUzr8B/lUCvXD6SzJ29sse2GJYrLV km0dpflTJIsavOyKhyoc =r9Qk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
