I'm planning on working on this when we're further into the Wayland transition,
as I feel that any work on X11 would be soon wasted, and I don't want to
set my Optimus horses before the Wayland cart is ready.
Having the FOSS and proprietary drivers be mutually exclusive creates a scenario where a user get's the worst of two experiences.
The proprietary and FOSS drivers should be able to be installed at the same time and loaded when needed depending on the use-case. Ideally the user should default to the FOSS driver and run a GNOME Wayland session. When they play a game from Steam the proprietary drivers should be dynamically loaded as an isolated X11 session similar to what XWayland does today. The user should also be able to run apps with the proprietary driver if they wish but the overall desktop should be managed by the FOSS drivers.
Then the FOSS driver developers in the Nouveau, AMD and Intel projects could focus entirely on Wayland and standard desktop apps like Chromium and Firefox. That would accelerate the development of a usable FOSS driven Wayland desktop and most users could then make the migration.
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Christian Schaller píše v Čt 07. 05. 2015 v 14:34 -0400:
> Optimus support
> > Quite a few people did bring up that our Optimus support wasn't
> > great. Luckily I know Bastien Nocera is working on
> > something there based on work by Dave Arlie, so hopefully this is
> > one we can check off soon.
>
> I had a talk on Fedora Workstation in front of 100 people who were
> mostly our target audience (developers, students,...) and I also asked
> them what annoys them on Linux desktop the most. Support for multiple
> graphics cards was the most frequent answer. No distribution has
> really solved this problem.
We already support multiple graphics cards...
What we don't support is matching an output to a graphics card on laptops
with multiple graphics cards, leading to either lowered performance, or
lowered battery life.
I'm planning on working on this when we're further into the Wayland transition,
as I feel that any work on X11 would be soon wasted, and I don't want to
set my Optimus horses before the Wayland cart is ready.
> And for Fedora I would also add nVidia drivers. Not having multimedia
> support by default is a disadvantage, but it's really a matter of
> running one command and installing a couple of packages. But if you
> don't have good graphics card drivers or they break with every new
> release of kernel it's a dealbreaker because it can't be reliably
> solved by a couple of commands.
>
> So instead of complaining about issues that can't be solved because
> they are not technical issues (patent-protected codecs), let's focus
> on problems that are technical because there is still a lot of room
> for improvement.
I don't think that's a good way to look at things. I don't think that
having hardware support 6 months before Ubuntu is going to make people
want to move from Ubuntu when things already work "well enough" (it's not
as if the graphics card didn't work at all), when getting the distribution
set up is still going to be a pain.
It's an important problem to look into, not something to sweep under the rug.
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