On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 14:21 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: >> On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 09:00 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> > On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 20:26 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: >> > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 16:10 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> > > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 10:25 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: >> > > > > On Tue, 2014-09-30 at 14:12 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > > > > > > I don't really like that people that do upgrades get a worse >> > > > > > > experience because of that pointless change but well ... >> > > > > > >> > > > > > There's nothing that says a user doing an upgrade wants to upgrade to >> > > > > > Workstation. There's also nothing that is going to magically upgrade >> > > > > > them to Workstation anyway. Also, they don't have this in F20 so >> > > > > > their experience is not worse, it's the same. >> > > > > >> > > > > I think fedup needs to to require specification of the product when >> > > > > upgrading from Fedora 20: >> > > > > [...] >> > > > >> > > > I've been trying to work with the packaging folks and the fedup >> > > > maintainer, but right now it's looking infeasible to do a >> > > > non-productized (F20) upgrade to a Productized F21. People who want >> > > > Workstation are going to have to do a clean install. People upgrading >> > > > from F20 will end up with non-productized F21 (equivalent >> > > > to a Spin). >> > > >> > > In the Fedora Workstation PRD we have: >> > > >> > > Robust Upgrades >> > > >> > > Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process should >> > > give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora >> > > Workstation. Upgrade should be a safe and process that never leaves the >> > > system needing manual intervention. >> > > >> > > This refers, of course, to upgrades between versions of Fedora >> > > Workstation, but I think we're sending a strong message in the wrong >> > > direction if we make it require a complex manual procedure to upgrade >> > > from F20 to F21 Workstation. >> > > >> > >> > Well, the procedure isn't necessarily *complex*, but it *is* necessarily >> > manual. Please see my email on devel@, I talked about the actual >> > technical issues that are getting in the way here (and the fact that >> > we're dangerously close to Beta for trying to land entirely new code in >> > fedup...) >> >> There's three separate things here: >> >> * We need to make it almost impossible to *accidentally* upgrade to >> non-productized F21 and think you are getting the Workstation >> experience. >> > > I think this is the wrong way of thinking about this. As noted elsewhere > in this or the other thread, we *cannot* make the assumption that > someone upgrading from F20 actually *wants* it to be Fedora Workstation, > even if they happen to have the GNOME desktop installed. > > There are plenty of people who are using a system installed from one of > the spins as well as people who are using Fedora as a server (possibly > headless) and having the upgrade process result in Workstation except > when *explicitly* chosen is not acceptable. > > >> * We need to provide a feasible way to upgrade from F20 >> Fedora 21 Workstation. >> > > I would certainly be in favor of having this. The definition of > "feasible" is very complicated, though. This can be solved, but it's > debatable if it can be solved sensibly in the remaining time. (See the > explanations in the other thread). Why from the chatlog you attached elsewhere one would conclude that the "yum install fedora-relase-foo && fedup" would work. Or what did I miss? -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
