On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 16:10 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 10:25 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-09-30 at 14:12 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > > I don't really like that people that do upgrades get a worse > > > > experience because of that pointless change but well ... > > > > > > There's nothing that says a user doing an upgrade wants to upgrade to > > > Workstation. There's also nothing that is going to magically upgrade > > > them to Workstation anyway. Also, they don't have this in F20 so > > > their experience is not worse, it's the same. > > > > I think fedup needs to to require specification of the product when > > upgrading from Fedora 20: > > [...] > > I've been trying to work with the packaging folks and the fedup > maintainer, but right now it's looking infeasible to do a > non-productized (F20) upgrade to a Productized F21. People who want > Workstation are going to have to do a clean install. People upgrading > from F20 will end up with non-productized F21 (equivalent > to a Spin). In the Fedora Workstation PRD we have: Robust Upgrades Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process should give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora Workstation. Upgrade should be a safe and process that never leaves the system needing manual intervention. This refers, of course, to upgrades between versions of Fedora Workstation, but I think we're sending a strong message in the wrong direction if we make it require a complex manual procedure to upgrade from F20 to F21 Workstation. If the initial version of Fedora Workstation was a huge technical change involving different packaging systems, different filesystems, and so forth, I could see that we might want to require a fresh install a single time with a promise that things would be better in the future - but this really isn't the case. > I need to follow up on the original devel thread about this. > > Basically, the fedup maintainers don't want to spend effort on a > one-time upgrade feature, particularly with so little time before > release. If https://github.com/wgwoods/fedup is the right upstream repository for fedup, it doesn't look like it has gotten much work this cycle - presumably because priorities are on different projects. How can the Fedora Workstation WG lend a hand? - Owen -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
