On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> While we can make our Mac hardware story better, we need to keep in mind that >> Apple is a pretty hostile company here in terms of running alternative >> operating >> systems. There is absolutely no information from them on their hardware, so >> we are >> often left with having to reverse engineer to fix bugs, which is slow and >> time consuming. > > That's mainly wrong. The hardware from this year's MacBook Pros is 99% the same > as last year's MacBook Pros. Apart from the usual rigmarole of keyboard and touchpad > USB IDs updates, it works as well as last year's. The only thing that doesn't > work out of the box on those machines is the wireless card. I don't agree with this based on my experience with 3 out of 3 laptop models: b43 supports 802.11g only, proprietary driver is needed for wireless-n; bluetooth hasn't never cooperated, various problems; trackpad use is erratic; overheating and MCE errors, one laptop died while overheating. Even though I don't know the laptop died because of overheating, it seems risky to run linux on Macs right now, but I might just be really unlucky. > The dual boot experience is sub-par, but that's mainly because we regressed > the installer compared to when Matthew fixed all that a couple of years ago. The resulting dual-boot experience from Fedora 17 is the same as Fedora 18+ so I'm not sure what this refers to. In any case I'm more concerned about post-install issues. Chris Murphy -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop