On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Adam Batkin <adam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch Langdon's video, but I watched > Christian's talk and read Langdon's the slides. I actually spoke with > Langdon at OSCON where he accurately described me as a "developer on Linux" > which is [usually] distinctly different from a "Linux developer". > > To me, the biggest thing that I would like to see, is Gnome to be more > comfortable for a developer (that's why we're all here, right?). Developers > often spend a lot of time with their hands on the keyboard (as opposed to > the mouse) and are already comfortable installing packages, etc... I'm sure > Gnome is great for general computing users (though we can debate that too) > and maybe touchscreen users like it, but I find it maddening. I just built a > new PC though, and for the first time in a long time I'm forcing myself to > use Gnome instead of XFCE (I tried KDE as recently as a few months ago and > found it to still be unstable and have really weird theme/UI interactions). GNOME works really well with a keyboard only. You can start and switch apps very easily with the keyboard "super + typepartofname + enter" ... And no you do *not* need a touchscreen for anything. Repeating that does not make it true. > But there are a bunch of other "polish" things that I think also need to be > fixed. For example: > * There are at least half a dozen Gnome Bugzillas that I've come across > around focus and window stacking issues - and I think I've encountered every > one of them. This is maddening. For someone who uses the keyboard as much as > possible, this makes the system almost unusable What are those focus and stacking issues? You have to name them otherwise we can't discuss / solve them. > * The default theme makes it difficult to easily distinguish the Focused > window from all other windows - again, maddening when you have lots of > windows spread across multiple very high resolution monitors. Especially > with all the window focus/stacking issues Really? At least for gtk3 apps the whole unfocsued window dims ("backdrop") which makes it very cleary shown as unfocsued. Again no idea what your "focus / stacking issues are" > * Silly things like the fact that you need to drag to get rid of the > screensaver/blanker thing - Individually, this isn't *that* important, and > there's already a BZ for it, but no one seems rushing to fix it. I can't > think of a single case where a non-touchscreen user would WANT that > functionality, but there still doesn't appear to be a way to rid yourself of > it You do *not* need to drag it. You can just type you password. Or hit ESC or press Enter. Maybe it is not clear enough that you can do that though. -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop