----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alberto Ruiz" <aruiz@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" <desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 4:38:24 PM > Subject: Re: ABRT? > > I think what you stated (+1 as a developer, -1 as a user) is pretty much > how most workstation users feel. > > I know for a fact that the ABRT team does work hard, so I don't really > wan't to reflect on their efforts, however, if we have the choice in our > hands (I don't even know if we do), I think we should probably write > down all the negative impact that ABRT has on UX, try to solve it in the > mid-run with the ABRT guys, and remove ABRT in the meantime. Because > quite frankly, I rather have a nice user experience than crash reports > if that's the tradeoff. Well as annoying abrt can be I think nothing ruins the user experience more than crashers, so if abrt helps us fix more crashers/the most important crashers, I think that improvement in user experience probably outweighs the irritation of abrt. Christian > So, the question is, do we have the ability to remove it without being > in conflict with the other products? > > Just my 2 cents. > > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 09:27 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 16:10 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > > > As a developer, I absolutely love the retrace server, > > > https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/problems/hot/ . It gives an > > > overview of the most frequent traces ABRT has seen and this is > > > invaluable for prioritizing and fixing crashers that users are > > > experiencing in real world. Also, bug reports filed with ABRT tend to > > > be > > > of high quality, which makes it easy to fix issues reported. I always > > > tell everybody to submit crash reports when ABRT asks them to, since > > > it > > > helps us fix stuff. > > > > Yes, this service is wonderful, though lately I've been seeing missing > > problem reports and wondering if it's working properly. > > > > > As a user, I hate ABRT with all my heart. The UI is confusing to me, > > > it > > > just never seems to work properly (perhaps that's because I run > > > rawhide > > > and ABRT developers don't focus their efforts there), and it also gets > > > in the way of debugging crashes in my own stuff. So I tend to remove > > > it from my systems and file bugs by hand instead, if needed. > > > > My experiences are based on F20. > > > > I don't find it gets in the way of debugging my own crashes, though, > > since by default it creates core dumps in the crashing processes' > > directory as long as you remember to set ulimit -c. I WILL find it gets > > in the way of debugging my own crashes in F21, since F21 finally enables > > systemd's wonderful coredumpctl tool. ABRT is going to conflict with > > that, but I bet this can be worked on. > > -- > > desktop mailing list > > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop > > -- > Greetings, > Alberto Ruiz > Engineering Manager - Desktop Applications Team > Red Hat, Inc. > > > > -- > desktop mailing list > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
