It is +1 for user also. It makes it easy to open a new Bugzilla ticket. Its a real pain to file a new bug and very time consuming when you have to do it manually. (or just me being lazy) ABRT and Setroubleshoot are the main reasons I am still using Fedora. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Alberto Ruiz <aruiz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think what you stated (+1 as a developer, -1 as a user) is pretty much > how most workstation users feel. > > I know for a fact that the ABRT team does work hard, so I don't really > wan't to reflect on their efforts, however, if we have the choice in our > hands (I don't even know if we do), I think we should probably write > down all the negative impact that ABRT has on UX, try to solve it in the > mid-run with the ABRT guys, and remove ABRT in the meantime. Because > quite frankly, I rather have a nice user experience than crash reports > if that's the tradeoff. > > So, the question is, do we have the ability to remove it without being > in conflict with the other products? > > Just my 2 cents. > > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 09:27 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 16:10 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: >> > As a developer, I absolutely love the retrace server, >> > https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/problems/hot/ . It gives an >> > overview of the most frequent traces ABRT has seen and this is >> > invaluable for prioritizing and fixing crashers that users are >> > experiencing in real world. Also, bug reports filed with ABRT tend to >> > be >> > of high quality, which makes it easy to fix issues reported. I always >> > tell everybody to submit crash reports when ABRT asks them to, since >> > it >> > helps us fix stuff. >> >> Yes, this service is wonderful, though lately I've been seeing missing >> problem reports and wondering if it's working properly. >> >> > As a user, I hate ABRT with all my heart. The UI is confusing to me, >> > it >> > just never seems to work properly (perhaps that's because I run >> > rawhide >> > and ABRT developers don't focus their efforts there), and it also gets >> > in the way of debugging crashes in my own stuff. So I tend to remove >> > it from my systems and file bugs by hand instead, if needed. >> >> My experiences are based on F20. >> >> I don't find it gets in the way of debugging my own crashes, though, >> since by default it creates core dumps in the crashing processes' >> directory as long as you remember to set ulimit -c. I WILL find it gets >> in the way of debugging my own crashes in F21, since F21 finally enables >> systemd's wonderful coredumpctl tool. ABRT is going to conflict with >> that, but I bet this can be worked on. >> -- >> desktop mailing list >> desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop > > -- > Greetings, > Alberto Ruiz > Engineering Manager - Desktop Applications Team > Red Hat, Inc. > > > > -- > desktop mailing list > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
