On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Araluen <desertdance2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 16:09 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Kalev Lember <kalevlember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On 06/04/2014 01:52 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >> I disagree. We aren't targeting people that find virtualization to be >> >> a confusing concept. Workstation is targeting developers and students >> >> with a reasonable degree of technical competence. I believe working >> >> virt out of the box should be installed. >> > >> > No, sorry, you might have misunderstood the PRD. We aren't producing a >> > distro only for developers. We are still producing a general purpose OS >> > but we are focusing our own development effort more on making it easier >> > to use Workstation for development. >> >> There's nothing in what I said that precludes a general purpose OS. >> On the contrary, it's required for anything above and beyond that. >> >> > We had this discussion already when approving the PRD. There were >> > concerns that people might misunderstand the wording there to mean that >> > we are no longer supporting the general desktop user. No; the PRD only >> > enumerates areas we'll give special focus during development and is not >> > meant to say that those are the only supported use cases. >> >> And this is where you and I differ. I consider virtualization an >> important enough thing for the areas we're giving special focus to be >> installed by default. You, apparently, do not. That's a difference >> of opinion between you and I, not a fundamental misunderstanding of >> the overall goal on my part. >> >> If you would like, we could certainly put this to a vote in the WG. I >> may very well be alone in my desire for virt to work out of the box. >> If we could actually get the WG to vote on it, I'll be happy to shut >> up either way. I'm interested in making progress, not endless >> debates. >> >> > It is still a general purpose desktop distro. >> >> Again, nothing I've said would imply general functionality doesn't work. >> >> > Quoting from the Workstation PRD: >> > >> > "We want to create a stable, integrated, polished and user friendly >> > system that can appeal to a wide general audience. /.../ This PRD is >> > not meant to be an exhaustive list of what potential users can or >> > will use the Fedora Workstation for, but rather outline the >> > Workstation working groups development priorities and overall goals." >> > >> > ... and goes on to explain that one of those development priorities is >> > to be attractive to developers. >> > >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Workstation_PRD >> >> You don't need to point me to the wiki page I created. >> >> josh > > Gee, you people are polite. > I've just migrated from the Lizard, and what goes on there.......i > ditched the OS I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or not, so I'll be an optimist and assume you were being literal. Welcome to Fedora, and I hope Workstation, or whichever flavor of Fedora you find suits you best, is a great experience. If you're inclined to pitch in after a while, we'd love the help. (If my assumption is wrong and you were being sarcastic... well I hope you find Fedora useful anyway.) josh -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
