On 02/11/2014 05:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 17:28 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
What I'm saying is that we should first and foremost focus on
upstreaming and work with upstream rather then implementation/integrate
*first* downstream with us then push upstream.
"The plan is that we decide on features we want for Fedora, work on them
where most natural, which means upstream in many cases and then as soon
as they are ready pull them into Fedora."
-- Christian Schaller, this list, about 150 minutes ago.
And in the same mail he seems to me, contracting himself
"So instead of setting the development priorities in a RHEL or upstream context,
we are trying to do so in a Fedora context."
Anyway as people have pointed out the claim is being made that we are
loosing users and or contributors.
That claim seems to be made without any research or evidence to back it
up so we cant determine the root cause of it or simply *if* it's
actually taking place not someones "gut feeling".
That root cause could be Gnome itself and not unlikely to be since it
has been the default all these years and with my ambassador hat on I
personally know two coworkers that switched away from using Gnome to KDE
( after I manage to convince them to stay on Fedora ) after upgrading to
F20 due to the fact it had become inconvenient for them to use 20+ vpn
profiles that granted them access to various clients infrastructures
compared to the earlier version of Gnome they where running. Root cause
UI instability issues getting in the way of users doing their jobs which
was also the case I watch several people abandon Gnome 2.x and Fedora in
the process due to simple work being performed regarding "tidying the
menus" which regured those end users having to re-learn everything.
Again root cause UI instability.
If we truly are loosing users or contributors and not knowing why, it
wont help us gain those users back or new users because we dont know
what we should be doing better and from the looks of it we dont seem to
be putting any effort into figuring out how we are going to be measuring
if the .next and the wg's output are being successful et all so in the
end we might just be doing ourselves more harm then good and that simply
by choosing the wrong DE so we have to have ruled out Gnome being the
root cause *before* any decision is made if in fact we are loosing
contributors or end users to begin with.
JBG
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