The "Vision for the Fedora Workstation" really explained things in detail. I think the process is much more difficult and complex than it seems to be at first glance and it will take a long time to implement. The Workstation PRD presented a lot of potential unknowns and I think it's causing needless anxiety.
Perhaps people aren't entire clear as what the actual objective of the project. My takeaway from the "Vision of Fedora Workstation" is that this is about the future. Fedora Workstation is a product that will solve problems currently being faced by Fedora Desktop right now. The very concerns posted here including my own are actually problems the project seeks to solve. From that perspective the desktop environment is rather irrelevant. GNOME will collaborate with the process and in the end improve their own desktop and it's design to solve those problems too.
Am I correct in this conclusion?
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:28 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Given that we are at all time high shipping components in the distribution what evidence do you have we are becoming irrelevant in the first place?
On 02/11/2014 05:25 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 16:43 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/11/2014 02:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:Are you saying that we should give up on Fedora and instead just work on
Unless Red Hat desktop team is interested in shifting some of its focus toUnder no circumstance should we be doing that since we pride ourselves
Fedora itself. From what Christian says, I think that actually *is* the case
-- if Gnome is chosen as the Fedora Workstation desktop, that means more
people given time to work on that specifically. Right?
of working with/for upstream and thus as an distribution we represent
"upstreaming" to extent in the linux ecosystem.
Here is a fallout [1] in Gnome for Red Hat/Fedora developers first and
foremost for not doing that.
upstream GNOME ? Even more than we already are ? Thats the road for
Fedora to become even more irrelevant, not less.
And if that is happening ( which I sincerely doubt ) what is the root cause from it?What I'm saying is that we should first and foremost focus on upstreaming and work with upstream rather then implementation/integrate *first* downstream with us then push upstream.
I'm sorry, but I increasingly cannot make any sense of your
contributions in this discussion.
JBG
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