On 11/27/2013 04:27 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > - Users like you or me might find that Fedora contains about > 20% stuff related to development infrastructure and libraries > that we will never use and that we might not be able to remove. > From our standpoint 'bloat' with acompanying security problems, > updates and bugs. Well, there's also going to be a Fedora 'base' that the Workstation will be built on top of. [1] If the workstation has too much developer-centric, irrelevant-to-other-users stuff, maybe we build spins on top of the base. But honestly, a lot of the developer stuff is pretty easy to remove, and really if you leave it there the only ways it'll affect you are: - if it's got a GUI it'll appear in app searches in the gnome shell overview / in the menus of other DEs (e.g., devhelp, geany, eclipse, etc.) - it'll take up space on your hard drive (HDDs are pretty big these days though) That being said, I don't know how the new target is going to impact the design / UX in other ways. I can't imagine it being too negatively impactful on non-developer users, though. I mean, developers are developers of the project they are working on - but when it comes to other projects, they are users just like us. E.g., a enterprise Java web developer is a 'user' more similar to us when it comes to the desktop - they don't work on the desktop, they're not familiar with the libraries involved, they have more experience in debugging things so they might be better positioned to troubleshoot desktop crashes and issues but it's going to be super-annoying for them and a distraction from what they really want to do - write Java. > (For example now in Fed19 I find 81 items related to Perl. > I don't use Perl and are all these items really necessary > for running a base Fedora system). It depends what they are, but for example, I know a bunch of perl libraries get pulled in for inkscape - I think there's a lot of perl-based image processing utilities. I bet some of the computational stuff you're doing relies on perl libraries some as well. ~m [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-October/190817.html -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
