On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 22:05 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > It does, at least if we continue do live installs the way we do them now > > (rsync) > > Yeah that way we even end up with anaconda on the installed system > which makes no sense at all. anaconda is actually on the installed system for non-live, non-GNOME graphical installs now too, because initial-setup (as opposed to gnome-initial-setup) requires it. Just an FYI. Also FYI, the semantics of various anaconda 'dependencies': * If the anaconda package directly depends on another package, then as things stand, that means that package needs to be in the anaconda runtime environment itself for some part of anaconda to work properly. Such packages *may* also be part of the other set (see below), but are not *necessarily*. * If a package is in the 'anaconda-tools' comps group, that means that it is a package anaconda does not necessarily need in its runtime environment, but which it may add to the set of packages to be deployed on the installed system, depending on the precise configuration of the installation in question. Packages in 'anaconda-tools' are included on the DVD and on live images. This is the source of the iscsi and fcoe services at least, as iscsi-initiator-utils and fcoe-utils are listed in anaconda-tools. Note that QA has a test for service startup and has filed several bugs for services that should perhaps be disabled or enabled only conditionally, and we've made some progress on this over the last few releases: for instance, iscsi.service was made conditional on some iscsi node actually existing as part of F19: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=951951 > Maybe we need some postinstall phase to remove such stuff. There is a postinstall phase for live images, but it's a pretty ugly hack, and we don't currently use it to remove packages. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop