Re: Why you might want packages not containers for Ceph deployments

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The weighted category prioritization clearly identifies reliability as the top priority.


Daniel

> Am 18.11.2021 um 15:32 schrieb Sasha Litvak <alexander.v.litvak@xxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> Perhaps I missed something,  but does the survey concludes that users don't
> value reliability improvements at all?  This would explain why developers
> team wants to concentrate on performance and ease of management.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 07:23 Stefan Kooman <stefan@xxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/18/21 14:09, Maged Mokhtar wrote:
>>> Hello Cephers,
>>> 
>>> i too am for LTS releases or for some kind of middle ground like longer
>>> release cycle and/or have even numbered releases designated for
>>> production like before. We all use LTS releases for the base OS when
>>> running Ceph, yet in reality we depend much more on the Ceph code than
>>> the base OS.
>>> 
>>> Another thing we hear our users want, after stability, is performance.
>>> it ultimately determines the cost of the storage solution. I think this
>>> should be high on the priority list. I know there has been a lot of
>>> effort with Crimson development for a while, but from my opinion if Ceph
>>> was run by a purely commercial company, getting this out the door as
>>> quickly as possible would take priority.
>> 
>> That is in line with the results from the last Ceph User Survey (2021):
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://ceph.io/en/news/blog/2021/2021-ceph-user-survey-results/#based-on-weighted-category-prioritization
>> 
>> So there is a dedicated group of people involved in the "next gen" OSD
>> storage sub system, which is a big endeavor. In the mean time there are
>> several developers improving the current implementation incrementally.
>> Zac is doing a great job improving the documentation. Cephadm team is
>> working on improving management. As as I have read correctly they will
>> have access to a large cluster to improve ... the next thing on the prio
>> list: scalability, in this case scalability of the management system.
>> 
>> If there is a separate "quality" team for the No. 1 priority:
>> Reliability? I don't know. Maybe that is just implicit in the project,
>> to make things reliable by default? That might be an interesting thing
>> to ask in the upcoming user+dev meeting ...
>> 
>> Gr. Stefan
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