These Problems with Gmail Email Addresse or Domains operated under Google Control
Are caused by Google refusing high Volume Senders !!!
I operated a Security list and hast Been faced with exactly Same Problems
Google is totally ignorant, no real answers to Out complains !
Just my 2 Cents
Am 8. Oktober 2018 23:52:20 MESZ schrieb Paul Emmerich <paul.emmerich@xxxxxxxx>:
You don't get removed for sending to the mailing list, you get removed
because the mailing list servers fails to deliver mail to you.
Am Mo., 8. Okt. 2018 um 23:22 Uhr schrieb Jeff Smith <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>I just got dumped again. I have not sent any attechments/images.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
<elias.abacioglu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
/E
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma <martin@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich <paul.emmerich@xxxxxxxx> wrote:I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.
Paul
Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
<cschen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
Cheers
Joshua
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <svante.karlsson@xxxxxx> wrote:I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx list and the same thing happens there.
Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:I have been removed twice.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
<elias.abacioglu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi,
I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get disabled twice a month.
Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently.
Please help!
Thanks,
Elias
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <chibi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and
google will have similar checks:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out.
The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
Christian
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:Thanks Christian,Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
to ceph-users via a gmail account.
Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
a cloud provider).
Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so
if on M$ cloud.This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digestDon't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the
recipient can click on.
ChristianCheers,
On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <chibi@xxxxxxx> wrote:Hello,
You're on gmail.
Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet
is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
Because Google knows best[tm].
Christian
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:Hi all,
This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
ceph-users with the message:
"Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
to excessive bounces..."
This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx and the contact
listed in Mailman (lvaz@xxxxxxxxxx) to get more info but haven't
received any response despite several attempts.
Help!
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