Your CRUSH rules will not change automatically.
Check out the documentation for changing tunables:
2018-06-20 18:27 GMT+02:00 Oliver Schulz <oliver.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Thanks, Paul - I could probably activate the Jewel tunables
profile without losing too many clients - most are running
at least kernel 4.2, I think. I'll go hunting for older
clients ...
After changing the tunables, do I need to restart any
Ceph daemons?
Another question, if I may: The hammer tunables bring
CRUSH_V4 with straw2 buckets. Can I / should I convert
the existing buckets to straw2 somehow? Or will it
happen automatically?
Cheers,
Oliver
On 20.06.2018 18:10, Paul Emmerich wrote:
2018-06-20 17:57 GMT+02:00 Oliver Schulz <oliver.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortmYeah, your tunables are ancient. Probably wouldn't have happened with modern ones.
If this was my cluster I would probably update the clients and update that (caution: lots of data movement!),
but I know how annoying it can be to chase down everyone who runs ancient clients.
For comparison, this is what a fresh installation of Luminous looks like:
{
"choose_local_tries": 0,
"choose_local_fallback_tries": 0,
"choose_total_tries": 50,
"chooseleaf_descend_once": 1,
"chooseleaf_vary_r": 1,
"chooseleaf_stable": 1,
"straw_calc_version": 1,
"allowed_bucket_algs": 54,
"profile": "jewel",
"optimal_tunables": 1,
"legacy_tunables": 0,
"minimum_required_version": "jewel",
"require_feature_tunables": 1,
"require_feature_tunables2": 1,
"has_v2_rules": 1,
"require_feature_tunables3": 1,
"has_v3_rules": 0,
"has_v4_buckets": 1,
"require_feature_tunables5": 1,
"has_v5_rules": 0
}
For a work-around/fix, I'd probably either figure out which can be adjusted
without breaking the oldest clients. Incrementing choose*tries in the crush rule
or tunables is probably sufficient.
But since you are apparently running into data balance problems you'll have
to update that to something more modern sooner or later.
You can also play around with crushtool, it can simulate how PGs are mapped,
that's usually better than changing random things on a production cluster:
http://docs.ceph.com/docs/mimic/man/8/crushtool/
Good luck
Paul
und.de >>:<mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortm
Hi Paul,
ah, right, "ceph pg dump | grep remapped", that's what I was looking
for. I added the output and the result of the pg query at the end of
https://gist.github.com/oschulz/7d637c7a1dfa28660b1cdd5cc5df fbcb
<https://gist.github.com/oschulz/7d637c7a1dfa28660b1cdd5cc5d >ffbcb
> But my guess here is that you are running a CRUSH rule to distribute across 3 racks
> and you only have 3 racks in total.
Yes - I always assumed that 3 failure domains would be suitable
for replication factor of 3. The three racks are absolutely
identical, though, hardware-wise, including HDD sizes, and we
never had any trouble like this before Luminous (we often used
significant reweighting in the past).
We are way behind on Ceph tunables though:
# ceph osd crush show-tunables
{
"choose_local_tries": 0,
"choose_local_fallback_tries": 0,
"choose_total_tries": 50,
"chooseleaf_descend_once": 1,
"chooseleaf_vary_r": 0,
"chooseleaf_stable": 0,
"straw_calc_version": 1,
"allowed_bucket_algs": 22,
"profile": "bobtail",
"optimal_tunables": 0,
"legacy_tunables": 0,
"minimum_required_version": "bobtail",
"require_feature_tunables": 1,
"require_feature_tunables2": 1,
"has_v2_rules": 0,
"require_feature_tunables3": 0,
"has_v3_rules": 0,
"has_v4_buckets": 0,
"require_feature_tunables5": 0,
"has_v5_rules": 0
}
We still have some old clients (trying to get rid of those, so I
can activate more recent tunables, but it may be a while) ...
Are my tunables at fault? If so, can you recommend a solution
or a temporary workaround?
Cheers (and thanks for helping!),
Oliver
On 06/20/2018 05:01 PM, Paul Emmerich wrote:
Hi,
have a look at "ceph pg dump" to see which ones are stuck in
remapped.
But my guess here is that you are running a CRUSH rule to
distribute across 3 racks
and you only have 3 racks in total.
CRUSH will sometimes fail to find a mapping in this scenario.
There are a few parameters
that you can tune in your CRUSH rule to increase the number of
retries.
For example, the settings set_chooseleaf_tries and
set_choose_tries can help, they are
set by default for erasure coding rules (where this scenario is
more common). Values used
for EC are set_chooseleaf_tries = 5 and set_choose_tries = 100.
You can configure them by adding them as the first steps of the
rule.
You can also configure an upmap exception.
But in general it is often not the best idea to have only 3
racks for replica = 3 if you want
to achieve a good data balance.
Paul
2018-06-20 16:50 GMT+02:00 Oliver Schulz
<oliver.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortmund.de >und.de
<mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortmund.de >>>:
Dear Paul,
thanks, here goes (output of "ceph -s", etc.):
https://gist.github.com/oschulz/7d637c7a1dfa28660b1cdd5cc5df fbcb
<https://gist.github.com/oschulz/7d637c7a1dfa28660b1cdd5cc5d >ffbcb
<https://gist.github.com/oschulz/7d637c7a1dfa28660b1cdd5cc5d <https://gist.github.com/oschuffbcb lz/7d637c7a1dfa28660b1cdd5cc5d >>ffbcb
> Also please run "ceph pg X.YZ query" on one of the PGs
not backfilling.
Silly question: How do I get a list of the PGs not backfilling?
On 06/20/2018 04:00 PM, Paul Emmerich wrote:
Can you post the full output of "ceph -s", "ceph health
detail, and ceph osd df tree
Also please run "ceph pg X.YZ query" on one of the PGs
not backfilling.
Paul
2018-06-20 15:25 GMT+02:00 Oliver Schulz
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<mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortmund.de >
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<mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortmund.de >
<mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortmund.de
<mailto:oliver.schulz@tu-dortmund.de >>>>:
Dear all,
we (somewhat) recently extended our Ceph cluster,
and updated it to Luminous. By now, the fill level
on some ODSs is quite high again, so I'd like to
re-balance via "OSD reweight".
I'm running into the following problem, however:
Not matter what I do (reweigt a little, or a lot,
or only reweight a single OSD by 5%) - after a
while, backfilling simply stops and lots of objects
stay misplaced.
I do have up to 250 PGs per OSD (early sins from
the first days of the cluster), but I've set
"mon_max_pg_per_osd = 400" and
"osd_max_pg_per_osd_hard_ratio = 1.5" to compensate.
How can I find out why backfill stops? Any advice
would be very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Oliver
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