Re: Attempting a Jenux install, again.

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Just as a follow up, I've gone back through the guided installer and it works flawlessly. However, I'm not finding the documentation to toggle espeaku's speech output. It's not an issue when the system's installed, but it is very, very chatty when installing so I was hoping to be able to turn the speech off for a few moments. Other than that, the installer's getting tweaks and updates, November's didn't give you the choice between Pipewire/Pulseaudio (or null if you are doing a base install) or the swap option. I'm keen to see where the guided installer goes, it makes getting an Arch system up and going easier now

On 12/15/21 20:55, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Hi,


Worked like a champ.  The on,ly thing I was confused about was the disk selection.  After selecting the fdisk you are still at disk selection step which you can just press enter to continue as the disk you chose at the first promped it is alreafdy selected, but this is not spoken by orca however just keep this in mind. Also, the desktop selection went fine.  I selected alsa-utils, espeakup, firefox and thunderbird and everything else went fine at least in my vm which is using UEFI.


Matthew



On 12/14/2021 7:06 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Once you boot the ISO with speech (which is down once on the boot menu, so just down and enter then wait), and it logs you in and you get the root@archiso prompt just type archinstall and it'll do a connection test then come up with the guided installer.

99% of it is intuitive. I've not got around to testing the install option for desktops. I personally go with a base instal and customize my system as needed, but YMMV on that one. The only bit that tripped me up was the region selection (second step) and the disk selection since that changed to where you select your disk, then don't select anything to continue. It walks you through the steps one at a time, and if you know how to install Arch accessibly, the extra packages step is the same as pacstrap.

Few things to note:

1. It auto enables espeakup if it's installed (I usually install it out of habit)

2. I'm not sure of the keys to shut espeakup off however...

And the big, big one. The last I checked, November. It only workd on UEFI machines /but/ that might have been changed. I honestly don't know if it's working on legacy BIOS machines

Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Hi,


Is this guided installer part of the arch iso?  If so, how do you get it going??  I would like to give this a test and see how this works.


Matthew



On 12/14/2021 7:59 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
ell there's a history of posts as far as Jenux breaking with people way more qualified than me digging through the code and having things break on their installs. I've personally had Jenux corrupt a flash drive to the point it's a glorified paprweight due to shenanigans with writing to it.

That being said. Now Arch itself has the guided mode installer, which is perfectly useable with espeakup and that once installed, as of this month auto enables speech/braille at the end of the install, I'd argue Arch are doing a better job at making their systems accessible* than people assume though. I;d also say okay, Arch has a guided installer that works** and if booted with accessibility on, keeps those settings and gives you a working (base, mind) system out of the box.


* Provided you install alsa-utils/espeakup as per a normal accessibility Arch install. There's a step in the guided installer where it asks for extra packages, that's where you plug alsa-utils/espeakup in. espeakup.service gets auto enabled at the end of the install as part of the installer


** Works, as long as you're okay with a base install but getting a DE up and running isn't that bad really once you did the install. I've not got the desktop ones to work currently but still poking at it. I'm tempted to add in orca-speech-dispatcher and so forth into the extra packages step.


at that however.


On 12/14/21 12:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Hi,


I did use the latest as of about 15 hours ago. I did also verify the iso.


The issue this time is that after running the installer and rebooting, nothing spoke. the seeingAI on the iphone could read the screen just fine, but I couldn't


Last time it was orca in Mate that didn't want to come on, no matter what I do.


I found that with Jenux, never expect the same thing to go wrong twice, however something will break.


Warm regards,


Brandt

On 2021/12/14 14:31, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Jenux gets regular updates latest is 2021.11.17 unless that changed today. Did you verify your iso download?  If I find an .sha512 file file for an iso, I won't install the iso without first verifying it with the .sha512 file.  So two potential problems not using current Jenux install iso or failed to verify iso.  If you don't have those two problems, please write dnl.nash@xxxxxxxxx and let him know the problem you encountered on your
install fail.  That one is the developer.


On Tue, 14 Dec 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

Hi,


Jenux failed on me, again. I think I'll give it a skip for now, that is unless
the dev actually fixes the thing.


I am on Fedora, for now, because it was the nearest Usb stick I could grab
quickly.


I might just give the vanilla Arch ISO another go. Why not?

On 2021/12/14 13:05, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
  or Manjaro Architect.

Personally. I've had success with the vanilla Arch ISO and the guided installer (the archinstall one), I just set it to boot up talking, went
through it and added in alsa-utils/espeakup and then put
speech-dispatcher/Orca/voices and a window manager on once the system was
installed.


Jenux has never really worked for me on a VM or bare metal at all, whereas the official arch ISO is working rather well, and I dunno if the Architect edition is 36/64 bit or 32bit only or 64bit only. Admittedly, I've got a 64bit UEFI system so the official ISo works flawlessly on it however, but YMMV on that oneYes, but you probably don't want to hear it if you are set
on using Jenux however.

On 12/14/21 09:18, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Hi all,

I decided to give Jenux another go, last time, no matter what I tried, I
couldn't get orca to come on after logging in to the system.

Does anyone have any advice?

Also, if this doesn't work out, is there a guide for doing a Manjaro architect install? "Manjaro Talking" got updated a little while ago, and if, as I said, Jenux doesn't work out, I'd like to give that one a go.

Thanks so long.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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