An email resource is help-gnu-emacs@xxxxxxx which is an email list like blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx. Then there's youtube with its sometimes excellent and sometimes useless videos. On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hi all, > > > I have been following this discussion for a bit and was wondering, and have > been doing so for a while, where do you go to learn Emacs? > > > Even worse is Emacsspeak, the user guide I can find out there is more than 10 > years old. > > > Isn't there a concise, easy to follow step-by-step guide out there some ware? > > > I'd think those, so passionate about their chosen choice would make it > possible for the newbie to learn, Gentoo and Arch did it, why not Emacs and > Emacsspeak? > > > Warm regards, > > Brandt Steenkamp > > Sent from the Fedora machine, using Thunderbird > > On 2021/11/30 19:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > Interesting. The problem is that email itself has several components that > > don't fit well into an editor window. Reading and writing emails for example > > fits into an editor style window just fine, but setting up email accounts, > > moving through folders and lists of messages, expanding and collapsing > > threads, etc just don't fit into that box very well. > > > > I also had a look at one point at the shell terminal. Whereas it's good to > > be able to edit the current command line, I found that pressing the up arrow > > key to put the previous command back on the screen to either repeat or > > modify didn't bring up the previous command, but instead put my cursor on > > the last line of the previous command's output. Shells need to be line > > edited, not screen edited, and that's where the whole thing fell flat, > > especially since as I recall, I was even able to accidentally overwrite > > command output because the whole screen is in an editable ... buffer I think > > they call it. > > > > Regarding the key sequences, x is a way to cross something out, x it out, > > cut it. C stands for copy, and I guess v got its paste functionality because > > it's right next to cut and copy. Not sure about that one. Still, it's better > > than some of the key combinations I find even in nano, control+w to find > > something for example, or even better is control+q, which is supposed to > > quit, but instead performs a backward search. What the ...? Emacs keys are > > even worse, since as I recall, finding something requires two key > > combinations, and if I remember correctly, neither includes an f for find or > > even an s for search. Emacs puts me in mind of the old days of a little > > program I used in school called Turbo Pascal. That horrible thing ... if I > > wanted to compile the program I had just written,- I still remember it - I > > had to press control+k and then d. Again, what the ...? I don't know ... I > > just did it ... because that's what the teacher told me I had to do in order > > to compile my program. Nothing in that key sequence could be thought of as > > compile or even build, well, maybe the d on the end of build. But that sure > > was a nightmare to have to remember that that's what that crazy combination > > of keys did. I can only imagine everything working that way, which was the > > experience I had when I looked at some Emacs documentation. But then I could > > be wrong, since the last time I even opened the application was probably 15 > > years ago, and I didn't even see the nice little help thingy at the bottom > > of the screen like what I got from Nano and Pico that I had used before it. > > At least in vim I was able to use the :help command to get me started, but > > even that was much more complicated than it needed to be, especially when I > > just wanted to cut something and paste it somewhere else in the same file. I > > do like its search and replace functionality though. %s/something/else/g if > > I remember correctly, just like in the sed command, will replace every > > occurrence of something with else. That said, I can just as easily run a > > find and replace, put something in the search field and else in the replace > > field, then tick the box that says replace all, and it's just as good, and > > doesn't even use more fingers, since the tab key is replacing the / key in > > this use case. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list