"Emacs tutorial" is in the "splash screen" that opens on first use of Emacs. Devin Prater r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:32 PM Linux for blind general discussion < blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi all, > > > I have been following this discussion for a bit and was wondering, and > have been doing so for a while, where do you go to learn Emacs? > > > Even worse is Emacsspeak, the user guide I can find out there is more > than 10 years old. > > > Isn't there a concise, easy to follow step-by-step guide out there some > ware? > > > I'd think those, so passionate about their chosen choice would make it > possible for the newbie to learn, Gentoo and Arch did it, why not Emacs > and Emacsspeak? > > > Warm regards, > > Brandt Steenkamp > > Sent from the Fedora machine, using Thunderbird > > On 2021/11/30 19:45, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > Interesting. The problem is that email itself has several components > > that don't fit well into an editor window. Reading and writing emails > > for example fits into an editor style window just fine, but setting up > > email accounts, moving through folders and lists of messages, > > expanding and collapsing threads, etc just don't fit into that box > > very well. > > > > I also had a look at one point at the shell terminal. Whereas it's > > good to be able to edit the current command line, I found that > > pressing the up arrow key to put the previous command back on the > > screen to either repeat or modify didn't bring up the previous > > command, but instead put my cursor on the last line of the previous > > command's output. Shells need to be line edited, not screen edited, > > and that's where the whole thing fell flat, especially since as I > > recall, I was even able to accidentally overwrite command output > > because the whole screen is in an editable ... buffer I think they > > call it. > > > > Regarding the key sequences, x is a way to cross something out, x it > > out, cut it. C stands for copy, and I guess v got its paste > > functionality because it's right next to cut and copy. Not sure about > > that one. Still, it's better than some of the key combinations I find > > even in nano, control+w to find something for example, or even better > > is control+q, which is supposed to quit, but instead performs a > > backward search. What the ...? Emacs keys are even worse, since as I > > recall, finding something requires two key combinations, and if I > > remember correctly, neither includes an f for find or even an s for > > search. Emacs puts me in mind of the old days of a little program I > > used in school called Turbo Pascal. That horrible thing ... if I > > wanted to compile the program I had just written,- I still remember > > it - I had to press control+k and then d. Again, what the ...? I don't > > know ... I just did it ... because that's what the teacher told me I > > had to do in order to compile my program. Nothing in that key sequence > > could be thought of as compile or even build, well, maybe the d on the > > end of build. But that sure was a nightmare to have to remember that > > that's what that crazy combination of keys did. I can only imagine > > everything working that way, which was the experience I had when I > > looked at some Emacs documentation. But then I could be wrong, since > > the last time I even opened the application was probably 15 years ago, > > and I didn't even see the nice little help thingy at the bottom of the > > screen like what I got from Nano and Pico that I had used before it. > > At least in vim I was able to use the :help command to get me started, > > but even that was much more complicated than it needed to be, > > especially when I just wanted to cut something and paste it somewhere > > else in the same file. I do like its search and replace functionality > > though. %s/something/else/g if I remember correctly, just like in the > > sed command, will replace every occurrence of something with else. > > That said, I can just as easily run a find and replace, put something > > in the search field and else in the replace field, then tick the box > > that says replace all, and it's just as good, and doesn't even use > > more fingers, since the tab key is replacing the / key in this use case. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list